Johnny Got His Gun 4

Joe believes that concrete things are worth fighting for, and he does not think that ideals are worth fighting for. He claims that men go to war and do not even understand what they are fighting for. They may be fighting for liberty or honor, but in the end, how do they ever get what is won? Joe wants something concrete to fight for because at the conclusion of the war, even if he lost everything, he would still know what he won. Joe specifically mentions fighting for democracy. Several men died fighting for democracy, but when fighting, they did not think about fighting for democracy. When fighting, the soldiers were thinking of concrete objects like their friends and families.